Subscribe Feed (RSS)Are the threats posed to rational society by fundamentalist Christianity more subtle than fundie Islam?
December 4th, 2008 by Admin | Filed under Religion & Spirituality.
Desiree аѕkеԁ:
I mean, tһе threats tһаt fundamentalist Islam poses tο rational society аrе аbουt аѕ subtle аѕ a plane smashing іחtο a building. Christianity οח tһе οtһеr hand, seems tο ԁο іtѕ dirty work under tһе cloak οf majority vote democratic politics, wһісһ іt controls bесаυѕе іt һаѕ tһе majority under tһе influence οf іtѕ ancient enchantment. Sο ԁο уου tһіחk tһаt both fundie Islam аחԁ fundie Christianity represent pretty much tһе same threat tο rational society, bυt one іѕ subtle аחԁ tһе οtһеr іѕ brutally obvious?
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There is a pattern. The Christians used to be as the fundamental Muslims are now, but they have realised that they get more done under the cover of law and government. Islam will also realise this and hopefully calm down. You need to start to worry when they start infiltrating government and try to bring their laws to your country.
You are spot on.
Now get ready to be reported and torn down by these Christian terrorist.
No, the majority of people are NOT fundamentalist except in a few Bible Belt areas of the US. If they become a majority, it’s not a big deal if homosexuality and fornication were banned from public schools, for example, or if marriage were defined as being between a man and a woman, or if abortion were abolished.
Really folks, those issues are so tiny compared to the mass of suffering around the world caused by cruelty and oppression, both of which are against the explicit teachings of the Christ.
Compare Christian values to having your public beliefs become cause for stoning or decapitation … compare it to execution of teenage girls for having been raped …. compare it to conquering entire populations and taxing them, or selling some of them off into slavery (allowed by the Koran, and practiced in Africa). Compare the Christian teaching of the possibility of God’s existence in the classroom, to having your children forcibly taught not only that there is a God, but that Mohammed was his messenger. Compare the Christian complaining about the heathen, to Islam teaching that polytheists and animists (such as witches) are less than human and can be used in any way desired.
I’d rather have the subtle threats, quite honestly. I value the position my head has atop my neck and shoulders. I’d just as soon not be stoned to death for my beliefs.
Fundamentalist is only negative dependent upon the ideology or philosophy that is fundamentally adhered to.
People bandy about the term fundamentalist as if it were a bad thing in itself and seem not to understand that being a fundamentalist can be extremely good.
The fundamentalist Muslim adheres to the teachings of the Q’uran, which lead to the planes slamming into the Towers.
The fundamentalist Christian adheres to the teaching of Christ, which is why we are called Christian in the first place. Christ’s teaching is summed up in His 2 greatest commandments. To love God with all our heart, mind and soul, and to love our neighbor as ourself.
If you think that Loving God and Loving others as ourself is a bad thing, then nothing will ever change your mind.
Muslims who believe that killing infidels to get into Paradise and to get 72 virgins is a bad thing. Muslims killing any unbeliever in order to be a good Muslim is a bad thing.
If anyone believes that love is a bad thing, then I want nothing to do with them.
What people don’t realize when they keep saying fundy’s this and fundy’s that, is that when they speak of Christians, it is the non-fundy’s that they should be scared of. Like the Phelps clan…they are not fundamentalist Christians….they have ignored Christ’s teaching and do not represent Him through their hatred of homosexuals and any other sinner, and in fact, hating any person for their sins is hypocrisy and according to Christ’s teaching having hatred in your heart toward someone is the same as murdering them in your heart, and we will be judged by God accordingly if we do not repent of this sin. Christ teaches love and forgiveness, if we do not forgive , we will not be forgiven, and this is a fundamental of Christianity. Adhering to His fundamental truths is being a fundamentalist Christian. I am a fundamentalist Christian. I am not a radical extremist that twists Scripture to suit my personal agenda.
Fundamentalist Muslim = negative
Fundamentalist Christian = positive
Edit* The Quran has no New Testament, there are no new revelations in the Q’uran, because it is claimed to be the “final” word, and the Q’uran says to slay the infidel wherever they be found. To strike off their heads, (to be judgment upon the infidel.) But it also says that a person can be forgiven if they repent, so why would you strike off their heads before they can repent? Or do you only do so if they refuse to? People who are murdered according to the teaching of the Q’uran can not ever come to recognize their guilt, their sins and desire to repent because Islam is about Judgment of human beings by other “hypocritical” human beings who are guilty of the same sins as those they condemn, and then executing that judgment, taking the vengeance that is only “God’s” and pretending to mete out justice that they don’t understand. This is a fundamental that is completely evil.
They believe in sin and righteousness, but do not believe in the Authority of God & God’s Law. We all have sinned and we all are condemned without a Savior to pay the penalty we owe to God for our breaking His Law.
God’s Law must be fulfilled, because it is God’s Law, and the righteous requirement, the consequences for breaking it must be met, must be paid. Jesus Christ died to pay for our sins to meet that requirement, and fulfilled the Law of God defeating sin, and by faith in Him, not our own goodness, we have eternal life, and just as Christ was resurrected which defeated death, that is the proof to us that we will also be raised to eternal life with Him, if we believe He did what He said He did for us.
In the Q’uran those who say they are sorry are forgiven, but the requirement of the Law of God is not met in Islam. Apparently in Islam Allah can just change his own rules at whim. He can ignore sin and allow anyone he chooses into paradise based upon what they can do…how “good” a muslim they are, yet give no promise, no guarantee of salvation. It is all Allah’s whim.
I feel terrible that anyone would fall victim to this ideology because it is not from God. Muhammed made rules based upon his own desires and changed scripture as he saw fit, but left enough truth from the Bible in so that when people hear it they will find truth and be drawn to it if they have never read the Bible, the source of the Truth, and they will accept the rest based upon the truth they do find, justifying one by the other.
Atheist’s pose the greatest threat to society. Because they make up less then 5% of society yet expect the other 90-95% to bend over backwards to accommodate them.
It is shown throughout history when the majority is forced to bend to a small minorities will violence and civil disruption is the end result
yes
look at how they acted with prop 8 – the hatred, lies, bigotry and intolerance
many also destroy families
christian homophobia gets excused (by many christians) whilst muslim homophobia doesn’t
big numbers doesn’t make you right
fundies are equally bad but many don’t see how bad christian fundies are
edit: the bigots can rationlise why rights should only be applied to selected pre-approved people
Good question, and you have some good answers.
I thought to address two things which I myself have been wondering.
Is it that what we are seeing in society now, merely a changing/altering of a moral standard, and disguised under the term of “rights?”
I think so, and I believe this is similar to judging our ancestors.
Maybe that’s a stretch.
But I also wanted to point out that the church is NOT supposed to be used by government…ANY government.
If this and whenever this happens, the church becomes not the church, but an extension of the government, being used by it.
When the message of Christianity is truly understood, we see no threat whatsoever. However, when the meanings and even the purpose are twisted by those with their own ulterior motives and hidden agendas, then there is a problem.
As for the adherence to Islam, which does promote the use of violence and uses fear to gain and maintain power, there is the threat.
What other religion would execute a rape victim? This is their sharia law, coming soon to a country near you. (if it isn’t already there)
Here’s your answer. Go ahead and give the points to someone else but check it out: I’ve been an atheist living in America, a 90 percent theist (presumably about 90 percent of those are Christians so…81 percent Christian majority in America ) for 40 years. Never once had to worry about getting hauled out into the streets and beheaded. Gays? In America they may lose a lot of their equal rights (marriage, jobs, etc) but in ‘Sharia America’ they’ll be killed or go into a seriously deep closet. Women’s rights under Christian rule? The Mormons is about the worst it gets. Under ‘Sharia America’ those same women are treated like garbage. So , no, it’s not a matter of subtlety at all but of Christianity being more civilized than Islam. Maybe in 500 years, Islam will catch up but I’d rather not give America or any more countries to Islam and ‘wait and see’. Islam has to be destroyed. It’s a cancer and freedom and justice and equality and really every good thing about humanity is at risk as long as Islam is in the world. Really the only chance Islam has to become remotely decent is the Islamic Reform movement.
I’m going to go ahead and assume that you have NO idea what a fundamentalist is. Because, if you did, you wouldn’t label roughly two billion people as a “threat”. But that’s okay, I’ll clear it all up for you.
Fundamentalism, in it’s essence, is COMPLETE and TOTAL commitment to an ideology/set of beliefs.
Therefore,
Fundamentalism ? Terrorism
Because, as the knowledgeable know, Islam and Christianity both promote peace and tolerance.
Calling the 9/11 attacks an act of fundamentalism is wrong, because one of the major rules of war in Islam is that innocent people cannot be harmed, EVER. And that’s assuming of course that a group of Muslims is actually at war with another group of people. The terrorists of 9/11 were not at war with anyone; they were ignorant, brainwashed fools who were used as pawns by Bin Laden to further his own twisted ends.
A TRUE fundamentalist Muslim is a peaceful, soft-spoken person. I’ll admit, they DO have strong opinions about activities that Islam condemns, for instance acting on homosexual desires. But because of their strong roots in Islam, the worst thing they could actually do to a gay person is hold a secret feeling of disgust for them.
Now, you can say whatever you want about that, but that’s just their opinion. They haven’t done anything wrong. Just the same as a LOT of strict fundamentalist Christians haven’t done anything wrong.
You need to actually read about the two religions before you can make any kind of judgement. Don’t just believe what you’ve seen on TV.
Terrorists are a minority, Fundamentalists are a minority.
Terrorists are criminals, Fundamentalists are saints.
They’re just about the nicest kind of people you’ll ever meet. And I bet they’re more tolerant than you probably think you are, too.